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not only Chilling, But awesome, with pictures at the end… Are Your Speakers "ON" ?

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Nice but let not forget who the real Threat to the U.S. (and all of earth for that matter) is the CIA……

BS 'right'…no doubt everytime your plumbing breaks down you blame the CIA or George Soros.
The inability of countries, cultures and individuals to accept the responsibility for their own failures are always the ones to blame the US or someone else. The greatest threat to the West…including Canada…isn't from successful foriegn states or cultures, but from failed states and cultures. These will be the greatest threat to peace in the coming decades. What is happening in the Arab world right now is a form of fascism…not the Nazi version, but the 1920's Italian version. Groups like al-qada and Hamas will continue to thrive as long as they continue to shift blame for their cultural or national failure on the west. And like fascism in the early part of the 20th century, this Islamo-fascism will continue to grow as long as it keeps showing success against its enemy…the West. When the fascist states last century grew, showed victory in battle and developed empire, they were popular with their peoples. It was only when they started to lose battles that discontent grew in their lands. The same will have to be done with Islamo-fascism.

Not long ago in Latin America, the gringos were to blame each time the lights blinked. But with the rise of a better-educated elite and local experience of economic success, the leadership of Latin America's key states has largely stopped playing the blame game.

You can go ahead and blame the CIA if you want, but until you take those blinders off and look at the real world for the source of the problems, the problems will never go away.

Thanks for the reminder antics, some people just want to forget it all, but I feel the need to reflect on it from time to time. Here is another site if your interested, http://www.neverforget.ca (I don't know how to link). This site focuses more on Fire Fighters, but it's the same idea.

Extremely well said Sarge……

Thanks antics…. it was a very trying time for most of us… I personally lost friends/acquaintances on 911 and my father passed away on days before…

well sarge you have said everything right but as far as i am concerned it is the word POWER that controls the people and the ones with the biggest gun or thinks he has the biggest gun is the one we have to be careful of. It is unfortunate that at one time we could call our Country (neutral). The greater powers of this world have scratched that word out of the dictionary…so so so sad.

Look I'm going to argue with your statement, I agree with it.

1- I never meant to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I broke your heart.

2- Before you start spewing your narcissistic 'Joseph Farah' rhetoric, consider that the problem with East V. West may not be "Groups like al-qada and Hamas will continue to thrive as long as they continue to shift blame for their cultural or national failure on the west. And like fascism in the early part of the 20th century, this Islamo-fascism will continue to grow as long as it keeps showing success against its enemy…the West" alone many people in the Eastern Nations hate Saddam, but hate the West even more. Who are we (the West) to impose this idealogial democracy on other nation(s), Don't get me wrong I'm saying we should not stand-by and watch idle……But the Wests conninuing interference of the nations and their cultures will result in more problems for all.

My point is that people should consider the real reasons country's go to war or in this latest case, invade.
by the way what is "al-qada"? Did you mean 'Al-qeada'? Anyway connsider educating yourself on the real workings of the U.S. government at

http://guerrillanews.com/crack/m_ruppert.html

I'm sorry that I could not link that for you as not to familiar with computers.

3- "But with the rise of a better-educated elite and local experience of economic success….." better educated elite?
It is documented that most terrorists have a University Education and are well funded by radiacal organizations e.g. Osama Bin-Ladin, multi-millionare constuction consortium tycoon. Your statement eludes to Middle Eastern nations as being completely destitute as a third world nation.

See from my point of view I can safely assume that you are a Bush supporter. The person who leads a nation who's mouth utters saying like "It's time for the Human Race to enter the Solar system" and "Quite frankly, Teachers are the only people who educate our children" -wow looks like you support the winners team eh? I guess birds of a feather flock together huh?

try to lighten up on other peoples opinions you may not agree with them - but that does not mean that others have this so called tunnel-vision approach to life.

If you take an objective look you'll see that the real evil in this world is greed, and from what I see the U.S. Government takes the cake. and yes I will blame entities like the CIA - absolute power corrupts absolutely.

So I'll see you when you 'enter the Solar system'…..

The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced.
Frank Zappa (1940 - 1993)

A nation is a society united by delusions about its ancestry and by common hatred of its neighbors.
William Ralph Inge (1860 - 1954)

The direct use of force is such a poor solution to any problem, it is generally employed only by small children and large nations.
David Friedman

I didn't lose any friends on 9-11, but almost did. One friend was at an international seminar being held in NY for his business franchise. Part of the package included a tour of the WTC, with passes - I've seen them - to the observation deck in the afternoon of 911.

I have had friends go to Afghanistan with the CF, both in 2001-2, and this year.

“Look I'm going to argue with your statement, I agree with it”. (What…? argue about something you agree with?)

“1- I never meant to offend anyone so I'm sorry if I broke your heart.”
I recognize the type…if something is wrong, blame the US for everything!

I bet you like Noam Chomsky as well…the old socialist linguist from MIT who thinks he’s an expert in everything else!

2 - ‘Joseph Farah’ - Never heard of him. A google search shows him to be a writer for WorldNet News, which appears to be a slightly right-leaning e-zine.

“by the way what is "al-qada"? Did you mean 'Al-qeada'? Anyway connsider(sic) educating…”
BTW, I meant al-qaeda! Check your own spelling while you’re at it! Note how many times I have to use (sic) when quoting YOU!

‘But the Wests(sic) conninuing(sic) interference of the nations and their cultures…’
I wrote some months ago, before you came on line, about how the US has interfered with the cultures of other nations, and the world is the better for it.

Here is the majority of the article: (Sorry, I can’t link to archived items yet…Pooga, show me some day!)

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archived 12 Sep 2002
(Prior to WW2)…the government of Japan was a military dictatorship, based on the culture of Bushido. Traditionally, military dictatorships do not surrender, they have to be destroyed. Japan's cultural history was not simply that they were our equals, but that they were our betters. (Ever see Shogun?) Militarism and the belief of Japanese supremacy was so deeply imbedded in their culture chauvinism that they had to be absolutely defeated…a simple military defeat was not good enough to defeat them, they had to be completely crushed, the people themselves had to give up and all elements of Bushido and Samurai, and a thousand years of martial tradition, destroyed. Japan is now ruled by a merchant class, as are the western nations.

Like Japan, fundamentalist Islam is culturally chauvinistic. The Taliban's Committee for the Preservation of Virtue and the Prevention of Vice tried to suppress all traces of Western culture. People would be beaten for possession of tape recordings of western music, or for having books containing western ideas. Conversion from Islam to any other religion was an offence punishable with death, often after months of torture. It destroyed the statues of the giant stone Buddas because they believe all non-Islamic (and many Islamic) practices are inferior to their brand of Islam. It's not just that their extremists believe that Islam is entitled to rule the world. Their religion tells them that God Himself has said they will. And yet, secular western nations keep defeating them. For hundreds of years they have been in decline. They keep being shown to be second (or third) rate compared to the accomplishments of cultures who do not follow Islam.

This war was thrust upon the West by militant Islamic extremists, whose belief system cannot tolerate our culture to exist. To the extremists, the western nations - in particular the US - are not just threats; they are blasphemy. For them to exist and to do what they do, the Q'uran must be wrong. But it is the Word of God and cannot be wrong, hence it is the duty of extremist Muslims to defeat, to completely destroy the heathen and to establish the Islamic utopia on earth that the Q'uran promises.

That is also what existed in Japan going into World War II, and to ultimately pacify Japan it was necessary to completely gut its culture and rebuild it. There have been few nations as radically changed in such a short time as Japan between 1941 and 1951, when the occupation officially ended and a formal peace treaty was signed with the new government of Japan.

Of course it is not the intent of the US to destroy Afghanistan. The true ruler of Afghanistan was bin Laden and the al-Qaeda, who protected the Taliban. The Taliban leader Mullah Omar, is bin Laden's father-in-law.

Before this war ends, the Islamic nations, especially the Arab ones, will have to change as radically as Japan did. We can't merely defeat them militarily; we have to break their spirit.
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3 - “It is documented that most terrorists have a University Education and are well funded by radiacal(sic) organizations e.g. Osama Bin-Ladin, multi-millionare(sic) constuction(sic) consortium tycoon.”
Absolutely. And they use their power and influence to distort the true meaning of Islam for their own purposes of retaining power and dominance.
Even Yassar Arafat attended the University of Cairo in the 1950's, where he was active in the Arab Nazi party called “Young Egypt”. Arafat attended University because his uncle, the former Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Hal Amin al-Husseini, brought him from Gaza to carry on his work. Husseini was the only non-European convicted and sentenced to death (in absentia) at the Nuremberg war crimes trials. Husseini had spent most of WW2 in Germany, and at one point, in a meeting with Hitler, berated him for not killing Jews fast enough. Husseini was also responsible for convincing Himmler to form Islamic SS units from the Balkans, and achieved a promise from Himmler that the Nazis would help eliminate the Jews in Palestine.

“Your statement eludes to Middle Eastern nations as being completely destitute as a third world nation.”
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!! The total value of exports for all of the middle eastern nations combined (not including Israel), after you subtract oil products, is less than the value of exports from Finland! What will happen in that part of the world when the oil reserves dry up or technology dramatically reduces the high demand for oil? There will be a total collapse of their economy! The US could do more harm to the middle east by instituting a ‘Manhattan Project’ to reduce their energy demands than by any war!

Read this archived posting as well, especially the html article:

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archived 24 March 2003

http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/parameters/98spring/peters.htm

It's called 'Spotting the losers: Seven signs of non-competitive states.' It deals with the cultural problems and collective behaviours that cause states to fail. Tribal or family clans is one of the seven areas.
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“My point is that people should consider the real reasons country's go to war or in this latest case, invade.”

When the dictator of a country is tearing his nation apart in order to hold power I guess the easiest thing for you to do is to bury your head in the sand and let it ‘deal with its own problems’.

Saddam was paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers up to $25,000US as a reward. He was harbouring terrorists like Abu Nidal in Iraq. There is no specific link between Saddam and bin-Laden, but there are other similar groups he did support. (Nidal died about two months ago in Iraq from natural causes. I hope it was ‘severe haemorrhaging caused by a small foreign metal body’).

I suppose you will say that the US went into this war for oil. I’ve dealt with that question before on this site as well. If it really was for oil, then there was another oil-rich country the US could have invaded, with a much smaller, poorly equipped military than Iraq, widely dispersed, closer geographically, and a population largely indifferent to the possibility of US occupation, which would have made the military operation that less of a risk. That country is Canada. BTW, US national policy defines Canada’s and Mexico’s oil reserves as part of the ‘US domestic reserve’.

And on another note, again if it was just for the oil, the US would have been much further ahead just to buy off Saddam for an oil deal and avoid war altogether, and ignore the political fallout. They’ve done that before with third-world nations. It would have been much cheaper than the loss of the many American and innocent Iraqi lives. (The not-so-innocent Iraqis don’t matter)

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archived 14 Nov 2003
To quote Major-General Lewis MacKenzie (Ret'd) from the National Post, April 11, 2003 article "Surely Genocide is Reason Enough"

" I cannot comprehend how our government can formally demand that Saddam Hussein should be indicted on charges of genocide and crimes against humanity once the war is over, and in the same breath try to justify not taking part in the very action designed to remove him from power and bring him to trial. Forget links with terrorism and destroying weapons of mass destruction. Genocide trumps them both – doesn't it?…
Who can argue with "war is bad and peace is good" and all the myriad of variations on the same theme? The questions the anti-war protesters and our political leaders have to answer is: Who would have spoken for Saddam's next 250,000 victims? Who would have stopped the genocide? "
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“I can safely assume that you are a Bush supporter”
I don’t like George W. Bush, but he was a less-worse choice than the Democrats, as they would apologised (and paid a financial compensation) to the families of the 19 terrorists who flew the planes on 9-11, and left the door open to further attacks in the US.

At this time, there are more than 40 wars or insurrections taking place around the world, the majority in Africa and the middle east. The UN and the US cannot possibly step into every one of them and try to stop them. Neither have the manpower or monetary resources needed. The US will step in where it suits their national interests the best - that is only common sense. And could you really trust the UN, whose mandate is to protect existing nations, regardless of form or the human rights violations they commit?

“…the United Nations was established…to promote peace. [But] It consists of a welter of sovereign states whose ambassadors use the devious language of peace as a fig-leaf for national self-aggrandizement. How any human organization can promote genuine peace or prevent war when egoism is the basic motive of mankind [strikes me] as ludicrous”. Prof. Paul Eidelberg, Co-founder and President of the Foundation for Constitutional Democracy in the Middle East

Quoting Frank Zappa as a political icon…hhmmm

Here are some for you…

“Peace means something different from ‘not fighting’. Those aren’t peace advocates, they're ‘stop fighting’ advocates. Peace is an active and complex thing and sometimes fighting is part of what it takes to get it.” Jo Walton

"Belief means not wanting to know what is true." - Nietzsche

"You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will have war." - Churchill's remark after Chamberlain returned from signing the Munich pact with Hitler.

oops screwed up
computer is being screwy here or sasktel or something. even ebay is not letting me do stuff.

Oh my!!! Did i start this verbal war?? Little ol me?? Goodness. I only wanted to share something I thought was of some importance to some people. We are all entitled to our own opinion. War is not something that is good but neither is it all bad. kind of like alcohol. a couple of drinks a day are good for you. more than that is bad for you. or salt for that matter. we all need some but too much is not good. Or to quote Winston Churchill a few times:
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile–hoping it will eat him last."
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
and last but not least:
"When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber."

Well antics, I thought it was very good. I mean it puts things into perspective, I will never forget that morning ever!!